What was it like to navigate America’s national security apparatus, all the while coping with a mercurial commander in chief? Hoover senior fellow H.R. McMaster tells all in his new bestseller At War with Ourselves: My Tour of Duty in the White House—with additional insights provided by Hoover senior fellow Niall Ferguson, whose forthcoming biography of Henry Kissinger likewise touches on national security and White House intrigue. After that: Niall and H.R. dissect the previous night’s presidential debate, assess the impact of Taylor Swift’s endorsement of Kamala Harris (spoiler alert: boy-dad Niall’s not a “Swiftie”), offer thoughts on the perils of non-historians peddling “anti-history,” and recall where the two fellows were 23 years ago during the 9/11 attacks on America.

Recorded on September 11, 2024.

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